The difference is, at this point, Ms. Grafton is pretty much done with her book. She sits back while her big publisher promotes her book and helps it sell, with very little work on her part. Maybe that's not fair. I'm sure she does some things. Attend book signings and whatever else, but the heavy lifting is done by her publicist and her publisher. Don't get me wrong, that's great for her. She got lucky and her books took off. A "lazy" self-pubber now has the long, arduous process of promoting their own book, paying for their own advertising, and doing everything they can to make that lightening strike for themselves.
No one seems to know why one book does better than others, but sometimes everything comes together perfectly, and an author takes off. I would rejoice for them all, normally. But reading this interview, I have to wonder what makes some traditional authors think they are so much better than anyone else. Self-published authors are getting lucky too and having their work read by millions. It happens. I would think any author would be happy for another one who became successful. If most readers are like me, I have room for more and more great authors. I'm not going to quit reading my favorites just because I found another one I like too--I get to enjoy them all. Obviously, there are a few people sucking on sour grapes in the publishing industry. I feel a little sorry for them.
I do need to say that I think there is a valid point in this argument against SP. Indie's who put their work out without editing, without having it critiqued by others, basically write a book and slap it on Amazon without any work are taking the lazy way and make me angry too. I thought this was what all Indie's did for the longest time (based on one SP book I bought and tried to read), and I'm a bit ashamed I didn't know better. Anymore, Indie's are taking much pride in their work. We are hiring some of the same people the Big 6 publishing houses are using. We learn our craft and do everything traditional authors do, we just choose to do things differently.
My writing hero, Holly Lisle www.hollylisle.com, has decided to self-publish all her work. She's putting all her old books (at least the ones where the rights have reverted back to her) out herself and she is planning to self-publish her new book and is in the process of self-publishing her writing courses/clinics. It is heartening to me to know that some highly successful authors, people I truly respect, are taking this as a viable route.
The reasons I finally made the hard (for me at least) decision to self-publish were these: I want to control customer cost, making the price affordable for them while still making a profit myself. I also want creative control. Always & Forever deals with some tough issues, that are very important to me, and I have a few scenes I'm not sure would be acceptable to the traditional publishing world. I wanted to tell the story I had in me, not a watered-down version that fit someone else's vision. Finally, I have heard horrible things about the current trend with contracts signed with traditional publishing, where the writer is basically being paid almost less than nothing for their work and retaining none of their rights for foreign, movie, and electronic editions. If they want to stay with the publisher, they are forced to agree to these terms that strip them of most of their ability to make money. If you can't make money at your craft, it won't be long before you cannot continue doing it.
So, maybe I'm lazy, but I didn't want to deal with that. I wanted to tell the best story I had in me to tell. If people enjoy it, I don't really care if I took the supposed lazy way. I'll be grateful to whomever takes the time to read it, to appreciate the world I created, and the story I wanted to relay.
For a few interesting articles on self-publishing, these are some I really enjoyed and they deal both with the way publishing is being looked at and the difference in the amount of money an author stands to make going the Indie route:
Sticks & Stones: The Changing Politics of the Self-Publishing Stigma
http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/?p=6481 (This one deals with the money and was very eye-opening for me)
Ebook Publishing Trends
Is there room for both traditional and independent books? I've read many books in my life, and I have to admit that there are many a traditional published book that should never have received a contract. There are also some traditionally published books I love so very much, I read them over and over again. I recently read a few independent books that are so fantastic, I'm going to share them on my blog in the coming weeks to help spread the word about them. I think there is room for both sets. I think readers don't care about it one way or another, as long as they are getting a good story worth the money they paid for it.
Where do you stand on this issue?
Thanks for reading. Have a wonderful week!
~ Chantel
Since I wrote this article, Ms. Grafton has issued a clarification on her statement. I will post the link so you all can read it. http://louisvilleky.com/2012/08/more-from-sue-grafton-on-publishing-indie-writers/
Write with joy, friends!
Times are changing. The Internet truly changes everything. But one thing it doesn't change is grace and diplomacy. It only broadcasts it to a wider audience.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting and I wish you the best on Always and Forever. The characters are perfect the way they are, realistic and endearing at the same time.
You are too kind, Rachelle. I learned so much from you while learning about this crazy world of writing and self-publishing, and you helped a lot with Always & Forever. I am so grateful to you. Thanks for posting!
DeleteWhether they recognize it or not, writers such as Grafton no longer need to wait for the Universe to come to their aid. It already has. If Grafton really believes her success owes everything to talent and hard work and nothing to luck, she's kidding herself.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Any author who makes it big gets lucky. Lots of great books out there don't get picked up in a big way. Heck, lots of great books don't even get published by a traditional publisher for some reason or another. I think luck does play a role in the commercial success of books.
DeleteAs writers we can only write the very best story we have in us, polish it as much as possible, and then promote, promote, promote when it is published. Whether it reaches a lot of people does have to do with how good the book is, but luck also definitely helps!
Thanks for reading and posting, Mary!
I think there are plenty of authors out there like you who want control of their work and not to be pigeon-holed into a "hot" genre of the moment. I've read some indie authors that I could never see being published by the Big Six exactly for their content - but the content is what moves a reader. And besides the need to get the story out of your head, don't you write for readers? Isn't that who is supposed to matter - not some head honcho trying to squeeze profits for the company he works for?
ReplyDeleteWell, and the content is the thing. There are two scenes that I'm sure would be probably not okay, but they are what happened in the story for me, and I was afraid to be "commercial enough" I'd have to take them out, and dilute the story. I didn't want to do that.
DeleteAnd, yep, it's definitely the readers who matter. Thanks for the comment, Faith!
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ReplyDeleteself-published a short story just because I wanted to understand how Amazon and KDP work. I only sold 7 or 8 copies at .99, but as soon as I put it on promotion, I got 40 downloads. lol
ReplyDeleteSo, now I know how it works. So when I'm done with my novel, I will definitely self-publish. The tools are out there, so why not use them? Most authors who call it lazy might be worried about the competition and the price of digitally formatted books.
That's technology for you! :D
Hmm... and that is a great point. Self-published authors can under-sell traditional publishers. That was part of the appeal to me. Times are tough. $8.99 to $15+ for an e-book seems like waaayyy too much to pay. I'm perfectly happy finding Indie authors for under $5.
Delete'Course, I still shell out the big bucks for my favorite traditional authors. :)
Good luck with your novel, Diane!
Nope, I don't think so. I believe that Self-Publishing is actually a form of confidence. Actually, here's my opinion about the subject http://denisewy.blogspot.com/2012/08/i-kissed-self-publishing-hello.html
ReplyDeleteGreat point. It does take some confidence to do it this way, since you don't have the backing of a big publishing house.
DeleteI would say "to do it on your own," but I have definitely NOT done this on my own. The self-publishing world has been so supportive and helpful to me. Add in my critique partners, my editor, and my beta readers. I've had a lot of help, but it has been a wonderful process!
Good luck to you with your book currently for sale and on completing the next one, Denise!
Well...don't get me started on Sue Grafton. The thing is this....no matter what journey to publication you take, YOU have to be the cheerleader for your work. My critique partner got a 6 figure deal for her next six books. That's great...only Harper Collins keeps on her everyday for NOT promoting herself. Ms. Grafton has never had to promote her books like traditional and self-published authors do today. So she really doesn't know lazy.
ReplyDeleteAs a self-published author, I've sold over 200k books in one year! I've continued to turn down agents and publishers so I can control my career. I believe in all roads to publishing and doing all roads to publishing. I have an editor with a big six publisher that freelances, I hire a professional cover artist and my novels are no different than those published by a traditional publisher.
Ms. Grafton's comments prove to be ignorant due to not knowing what she is talking about. Cheers!~to the amazing self-published author!!
I agree, Tonya. These days, traditional authors have to promote themselves too, and midlisters don't get the "perks" of NYT Bestsellers, so the work is about the same SP or trad published. The people at the top are lucky they don't have to do as much work, and I'm happy for most of them. Saddened by this seeming attack by her though, and I guess is what prompted me to blog about it. I was so surprised by the viewpoint.
DeleteSO exciting for your friend! It's hard to get a deal like that this day in age and I hope she is wildly successful.
Also, I just love your blog! You are an inspiration to those of us just starting out to show what we could become, and you give so much practical advice on the dos and don'ts.
I'm inspired by anyone who obtains success, because anyway you look at it, writing isn't easy. Thanks for all you do!
Wow, Tonya! I was just reading back through your comment and realized you said 200K in ONE YEAR! That is absolutely awesome! Congratulations!!
DeleteSomehow, the number didn't really sink in the first time, but that is so terrific and I'm very, very happy for you!
As an indie author, I've worked so HARD to make my novel the best it can be. I've hired an editor and cover artist, as well as getting feed back from readers. In a way I feel that self-publishing is so much MORE work...as opposed obtaining an agent and signing with a publisher.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I don't need validation from an agent or publisher that my work is 'good enough' or 'marketable'. I write what I write. I don't want anyone telling me to change MY story. I break the rules all the time...
Chantel~ thank you for tackling this subject :-)
That was a very hard thing for me to get past... the feeling that I needed an agent or publisher to tell me I was good enough. Even after A&F was read by a ton of crit partners with no reason to lie and several beta-readers, I still worried maybe they were all wrong and it wasn't that good.
DeleteInsecurity - it'll kill a story too. However, I thought about the scenes I loved, thought about how I'd probably have to remove them, and realized they WERE good scenes. Once I let go of that feeling that I needed "their" approval, it was a lot easier to decide to self-publish.
I'm glad you were able to see that you don't need that approval either. I'm so, so excited for your book to come out at the end of September! Thanks for posting.
Wow. I continue to be amazed at the sour grapes and (basically) "hate crimes" so many traditionally published authors seem willing - no, eager - to commit against indies. Now that they have a contract safely clutched in their tight little fists, they feel entitled to look down their noses at the "wannabes". How petty.
ReplyDeleteI especially *loved* her comment, "Obviously, I’m not talking about the rare few writers who manage to break out. The indie success stories aren’t the rule. They’re the exception."
Hmmm. Let's think about that for a moment. You're telling me that traditionally published success stories ARE the rule? OMG, could she be more wrong? No matter which side of the fence you are on, success stories in publishing are the exception. Always.
Does that mean that "wannabe" authors should give up? Just the opposite. We should try every avenue that is open to us. (And,thankfully, self-publishing is one them now!) Because, sometimes, lightning does strike. And we all wanna be standing under it when it does.
Exactly my point. The super popular books happen by luck, in both SP and traditional world. The "wannabe" comment really upset me, but I didn't want to get so upset I missed getting the points that were important to me down on the blog so I left the link to let people read for themselves ;-)
DeleteI'm certainly chasing that lightening, but I've chosen to SP. I think I have just as good a shot getting struck this way as traditional... maybe better cause the story is all mine and what I wanted.
Thanks for commenting! Have a wonderful week!
Great post, Chantel!
ReplyDeleteThank you, Carol!
DeleteFortunately, many traditionally published authors recognize that SP authors are first authors and are no better or worse than traditionally published authors (decided not to abbreviate traditionally published so as not to confuse it with the other TP). If I can use my own experience with Sharon Kay Penman, a New York Times best selling historical author, these generous traditional authors actively support and mentor new authors regardless of whether we are going the self published or have a mid to big publishing house backing us.
ReplyDeleteAnd this is exactly what I've experienced with a lot of other authors as well. Mostly, authors seem to support one another. That's the way it should be. I absolutely love all the authors I regularly associate with, whether they have traditional deals or SP (yes... let's not use TP - LOL). It is a very warm community from what I've experienced.
DeleteI know I would be ecstatic if a new author came to me and said, "Hey, your writing tips really helped and I was able to complete my novel using your advice."
In fairness, I should mention Sue Grafton's retraction to anyone who still looks at this blog. I'll add the link to an addendum above.
Hopefully most people continue supporting each other. In the end, we all have the same hopes and goals. Thanks so much for commenting, Joan!
I just finished reading a thriller by an unknown Indie author that's right up there with some of the biggest names in that genre. I don't know why he chose to self publish. I know why I did. Patience is not a virtue I possess. If I had to wait six months to a year for a literary agent to read my query letter, I'd have forgotten about my book by the time they read it. Besides, my book has huge movie potential. No way any publisher is getting their hands on those rights. Great post, Chantel. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and opening up this discussion.
ReplyDeleteThanks, J.P.! That is very true that traditional publishing is so slow. The best way to get a good following is to write a lot of books and write them well. But I've heard you don't really find success until you have many titles so people who like a book they happen upon of yours can go pick up your other titles. This is much faster to do in the SP world, since you can come out with more than a single book a year (if you write that quickly, of course). But, you aren't dependent on the slots that the publisher has open and available.
DeleteYour book is downloaded on my kindle right now and just waiting for me to start it this weekend! I'm very excited to read The Tangled Web! Have a great weekend!